This podcast explores the future of autonomous mobility, via a discussion between Martin Viecha, founder and CEO of MV Motion, and Rob West, founder and lead analyst of Thunder Said Energy. Autonomous mobility is potentially now at a biting point for transforming urban mobility, accelerating urban EVs, but also oil demand for long-distance autonomous ICEs?
Martin Viecha and Rob West were colleagues at Redburn in 2014-18. Subsequently, Martin was the VP for investor relations at Tesla from 2018-24. In 2025, he has since founded his own research consultancy MV Motion, which is focused on mobility, EVs, batteries and robotics.
Martin and Rob met up in Tallinn in July-2025, to compare notes on the future of autonomous mobility. We set out to Kadriorg park, to take a photo together. Then, as is typical of Estonian summer, a surprise rain storm descended upon us, culminating in the picture above!!
Autonomous vehicles are potentially now at the biting point. Waymos have exploded onto the scene in the Bay Area, and their collision rates are now 80% below human-driven vehicles.
Global vehicle sales are seen accelerating due to a replacement cycle “upgrading to autonomous” vehicles, then plateauing, and possibly declining, contra to our own vehicle forecasts below.
Autonomous vehicles are seen accelerating the adoption of electric vehicles for urban mobility, in particular, for economic reasons. Especially for robo-taxis that will run 200-300 miles per day.
But it is acknowledged that ICEs still look likely to dominate on long-distance journeys, and could see increasing usage and miles driven, due to autonomy. This impacts global oil demand.
We discussed the supply chain, potential moats for Waymo/Baidu, Chinese OEMs, other OEMs, CMOS image sensors, copper and Rare Earths.
If we can facilitate an introduction to Martin and MV Motion, then please do contact us. Some of our recent vehicle research is below. And Martin’s recent research can be found on the MV Motion website.










